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Traveller-digest           Thursday, 25 July 1996       Volume 1996 : Number 287

(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.
All rights reserved.

The following topics are covered in this digest:

         1. Re: Traveller: Terra 1965
         2. Re: Traveller in Other Languages
         3. Traveller in Other Languages

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From: eris@pen.net (Eris Reddoch)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 01:44:59 -0600
Subject: Re: Traveller: Terra 1965

On 07/25/96 at 10:42 AM,  Roderick Darroch Elliott <gpvll@hk.super.net> said:

>It'd involve recycling Traveller's rule system into a homebrew setting; as
>you put it, a TL-7 society reaching out into space... namely, that of earth
>circa 1955-1975 or so!

There are several interesting possibilites here!

>        I figure on an alternate history based on the Niven story where
>William Proxmire has a time machine built so he can go back, inject Lt. R.A.
>Heinlein with an antibiotic so he isn't health-discharged out of the U.S.
>Navy, and doesn't go on to write SF that'll in part inspire the U.S. space
>program.  Proxmire returns from his time trip to find that Admiral Heinlein
>actually managed to get the U.S. space program much farther along much
>earlier..:) 

<Snirk!> I feel about Proxmire and Mondale the way many people feel about
McCarthy and Nixon.

>        Regardless of method, for whatever reason (maybe the Nazi long-range
>V-weapons were a raving success and New York got blitzed, thereby scaring a
>lot of people) both the East and West have put a lot more money into space a
>lot earlier, perhaps with space stations by 1950, and the Moon by 1955.  In
>this world Korea never happened, and neither did the Indochinese/Vietnamese
>conflict; all the energy is going into space.

More realistic would be stations by the mid 50's and the Moon by 60. As for
Korea...unless you have the entire peninsula under communist control, I
suspect it *would* happen.  Indochina had been having revolts before WWII,
and after the war they were *bound* to rebel, the only way *not* to have that
conflict would be if the French did the smart thing and gracefully bowed out.

>        So: it's 1965 or so... the Cold War is in full swing; President
>Eisenhower has just been reelected for his sixth term <g>...

Are you Canadian?  <G> It would have been Ike's 4th or 5th, at best.
Roosevelt's last term went up to '48, and if Ike was elected then instead of
Truman then he could have been re-elected in 52, 56, 60, & 64 and he'd be in
his 5th term.  But Ike wasn't back from Europe and retired in time for the 48
race, so it would likely be that he didn't run until 52.

>..the U.S. and Russia are both racing to explore the inner solar system with craft based on
>the 1950's hypothetical designs that Leonard mentioned.  The Army, the Navy,
>the Air Force, a (very different) NASA, and the Marines all have their own
>space programs,

Not the Marines! <g>  Marines ride on Navy ships.

>...a Cold War inter-service political development mirrored on
>the other side of the Iron Curtain.  The British, French, and Chinese, not
>to be outdone, likewise have their own space programs.  Ties and lapels are
>narrow, men still wear brush cuts under their fedoras, and have barbeques
>for their families out in the suburbs Sunday afternoons after church.  Cars
>still have fins, and juvenile delinquency is still a problem.  

>Technicians out in Area 51 are busily reverse engineering a flying
>saucer and "debriefing" its crew.

<Double Snirk!>

>Ian Fleming is churning out James Bond novels and Northrop flying
>wings patrol the skies of America.  

Don't forget the NUCLEAR airplane!  <g> Very buildable and it could have
remained aloft for months on end, with small craft shuttling passengers,
cargo and crew up and down as the ship continues to fly its route.

>Senator McCarthy and the House UnAmerican Activities Committee are
>still terrorizing Washington

Actually, McCarthy was a short lived phenominon.  We'd have lost interest,
and he'd have lost power pretty quickly, especially if we'd started looking
upward and outward.

>For a more sinister note, the civil rights movement never happened,
>the South is still segregated, and the Klan is strong.

Nope.  The Klan wasn't powerful in the American South since the
early 1920's.  It existed on the fringes, behind closed doors, and was a
continuing embarassment to most folks down here.  The crackers in the Klan
were what folks up north thought everybody was like down South, not true. 
Shoot, the rest of the country actually thought Gomer Pile and the Beverly
Hillbillies were realistic images of Southerners too.  <g>

The Civil Rights Movement was going to happen, and with Ike in
office it was going to succeed.  He and the Republicans were really more
likely to have pushed things through than the Democrates.  It would have
taken a different form and had a different pace, but it was going to happen. 
OTOH, the South of the middle 60's was still *very* segregated in the real
world...so was the North, the Midwest, and the West.

>I think that this would be really, really fun.  

I do to! 

>I'm almost tempted to give it a shot.

Do it pbem and I'll play! <g>

Eris
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From: Roderick Darroch Elliott <gpvll@hk.super.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 16:26:57 +0800 (HKT)
Subject: Re: Traveller in Other Languages

> Roderick Darroch Elliott, replying to Pierre-Louis Constantin, said
[snip]
>
>Was there ever a French translation of Traveller?  I have the spanish-language 
>version of the Traveller Book, and I have seen a German version.  What other 
>languages were used?

        Beats me...  You should probably as Loren.

>
>Steve Charlton
>scharlto@avalon.com
>We don't even have a language; we're so poor, all we can afford is this stupid 
>accent!
>

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|   Roderick Darroch Elliott                    gpvll@hk.super.net      |
|                                                                       |
|                  Federalist: My Quebec excludes nobody :)             |
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From: Antti Lahtinen <lahtinen@ee.tut.fi>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 12:22:57 +0300
Subject: Traveller in Other Languages

> Was there ever a French translation of Traveller?  I have the spanish-
> language version of the Traveller Book, and I have seen a German version.
> What other languages were used?

        A couple of years ago I rain into a good selection of Traveller
        material in a second-hand bookstore in Stuttgart. I found 6 old
        Black Books and 4 Alien Modules in english, and two German books
        that I have not seen in english.

        The German books were "Gene Wars Chronicles" -sourcebook and
        "Deep-Sleeper" -adventure.

        In addition to the German version, I have seen some Traveller
        material in Swedish and Finnish.

        Antti Lahtinen     :     Justice is Only a Wish of a Weak
        lahtinen@ee.tut.fi :


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